The headlines and rhetoric about boat people often bury the extraordinary measures that refugees take to leave their homelands, apply for asylum and rebuild their lives. Kooshyar Karimi’s flight from Iran and harrowing fight to keep his family alive as asylum seekers in Turkey offers astonishing insight into the gritty determination needed to survive these traumatic events. He is joined by storyteller and human rights advocate Arnold Zable, who writes extensively and poignantly about the refugee experience – memory and history, displacement and dislocation.